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I always used DT to form military squads based on attributes of dwarves. I plan on extending current dfhack beta feature for sorting military candidates with next formulas. Note that formulas do not consider skills but rather attributes that correspond to military skills. I.e. dwarves with the same level of skills should be more suited for combat if they have bigger numbers in formulas below. Formulas are written in Dwarf-Therapist filter script format.</p> + +<p><strong>Formula to sort melee candidates:</strong></p> + +<pre><code>d.strength()*5 + d.agility()*3 + d.toughness() + d.endurance() + d.recuperation()/3 + d.disease_resistance()/3 + d.kinesthetic_sense()*3 + d.spatial_sense()/2 + d.willpower()/2 + d.focus()/4 - d.body_size() +</code></pre> + +<p>Strength is the most valuable attribute here as it defines both movement speed and damage. It also plays major role in most combat skills.</p> + +<p>Agility defines movement speed and is primary for dodging and fighting.</p> + +<p>Toughness and endurance both are good for combat and secondary for most combat skills</p> + +<p>Recuperation and resistance good for someone participating in fights often. I am not sure if disease resistance affects probability or severity of infections but I guess so.</p> + +<p>Kinesthetic sense is primary for most combat skills</p> + +<p>Spatial sense and Willpower both secondary for most combat skills</p> + +<p>Focus is secondary for student, concentration, discipline and observer skills.</p> + +<p>List of main and secondary attributes from the wiki <a href="https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attribute">https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attribute</a></p> + +<p><strong>Body size is controversial.</strong> Despite it positive correlation with physical attributes it makes dwarves move slower. Though bigger creatures considered to be more dangerous this is probably due to their average species size being large as well. I used formula for momentum <code>M = Str * Vel / ( 106/Size + 10*F/W )</code> from the wiki <a href="https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Material_science">https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Material_science</a>. Fatness modifier makes smaller specimen deliver stronger blows. The graph below illustrates relative attack momentum (vertical) for dwarves with equal strength but different body size (horizontal).</p> + +<p>​</p> + +<p><a href="https://preview.redd.it/lyigjvsc9fjb1.png?width=657&format=png&auto=webp&s=fb44446c5fc28590c7887214ad9f823c412b39f5">Relative attack momentum to dwarf body size</a></p> + +<p>​</p> + +<p><strong>Formula to sort marksdwarves and ranged soldiers in general:</strong></p> + +<pre><code>d.strength() + d.agility()*3 + d.toughness() + d.endurance() + d.recuperation()/2 + d.disease_resistance()/2 + d.kinesthetic_sense()+ d.focus() + d.spatial_sense()*3 + d.willpower() - d.body_size()/2 +</code></pre> + +<p>Strength is less valuable as marksdwarves are not supposed to land melee strikes.</p> + +<p>Agility and spatial sense are primary for archer and all ranged weapon skills.</p> + +<p>Body size means less, except for soldiers being slower.</p> + +<p><strong>Finding good recruits</strong></p> + +<p>Some character traits might be plausible for military dwarves to handle stress. Research here shows some good results <a href="http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170698.0">http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170698.0</a>.</p> + +<p>Having high attributes is good but when recruiting fresh blood it is better to have dwarves with potential to grow. Some dwarves might have low attributes right now (due to lack of training) but have a high cap. As opposite legendary miners and pipe operators might be very strong after raising their skills but their attribute limit might be too low <del>to grow them into killing machines</del>.</p> + +<p>Considering problems above I came up with the following formula for melee recruits:</p> + +<pre><code>d.attribute_maximum(0)*5 + d.attribute_maximum(1)*3 + d.attribute_maximum(2) + d.attribute_maximum(3) + d.attribute(4)/3 + d.attribute(5)/3 + d.attribute_maximum(16)*3 + d.attribute_maximum(14)/2 + d.attribute_maximum(8)/2 + d.attribute_maximum(7)/4 - d.body_size() ++ (d.trait(6) + d.trait(8) + d.trait(18))*40 +</code></pre> + +<p>Attributes are:</p> + +<table><thead> +<tr> +<th align="left">0</th> +<th align="left">Strength</th> +</tr> +</thead><tbody> +<tr> +<td align="left">1</td> +<td align="left">Agility</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">2</td> +<td align="left">Toughness</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">3</td> +<td align="left">Endurance</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">4</td> +<td align="left">Recuperation</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">5</td> +<td align="left">Disease resistance</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">7</td> +<td align="left">Focus</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">8</td> +<td align="left">Willpower</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">14</td> +<td align="left">Spatial sense</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">16</td> +<td align="left">Kinesthetic sense</td> +</tr> +</tbody></table> + +<p>Traits are:</p> + +<table><thead> +<tr> +<th align="left">6</th> +<th align="left">Anxiety propensity</th> +</tr> +</thead><tbody> +<tr> +<td align="left">8</td> +<td align="left">Stress vulnerability</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td align="left">18</td> +<td align="left">Bravery</td> +</tr> +</tbody></table> + +<p>Recuperation and disease resistance are not trainable. Therefore the current value is taken instead of maximum.</p> + +<p><strong>Things that are not considered in formulas.</strong></p> + +<p>Some dwarves might be too small to use some weapons properly. I recall size of 60000 for pick to use in one hand but I am not sure and I can't find info on this topic. I am also not sure how body size works with charging and wrestling. I would be glad to take an advice on these and any other applications of body size.</p> + +<p>I didn't consider leader and teacher skills.</p> + +<p>Preferences and goals are not included.</p> + +<p>The formulas are not covering all scenarios. For example lashes and knives use agility as primary attribute but both are melee weapons. The scripts above are designed to only find dwarves generaly more suited for combat.</p> + +<p>The formulas are solely heuristic. Some testing might help in finding better coefficients.</p> + +<p><strong>Any help in improving these formulas is welcome.</strong></p> +</div> +</div></form></div><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-event-action="comments" class="bylink comments may-blank" rel="nofollow" >14 comments</a></li><li class="share"><a class="post-sharing-button" href="javascript: void 0;">share</a></li><li class="link-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="#">save</a></li><li><form action="/post/hide" method="post" class="state-button hide-button"><span><a href="javascript:void(0)" class=" " data-event-action="hide" onclick="change_state(this, 'hide', hide_thing);">hide</a></span></form></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t3_15x2bct"></div></div><div class="child" ></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class='commentarea'><div class="panestack-title"><span class="title">all 14 comments</span></div><div class="menuarea"><div class="spacer"><span class="dropdown-title lightdrop">sorted by: </span><div class="dropdown lightdrop" onclick="open_menu(this)"><span class="selected">best</span></div><div class="drop-choices lightdrop"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=top" class="choice" >top</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=new" class="choice" >new</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=controversial" class="choice" >controversial</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=old" class="choice" >old</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=random" class="hidden choice" >random</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=qa" class="choice" >q&a</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/?sort=live" class="hidden choice" >live (beta)</a></div></div><div class="spacer"></div></div><section class="infobar commentsignupbar"><div class="commentsignupbar__container"><a href="/login" class="login-required commentsignupbar__link-wrapper"><textarea class="commentsignupbar__textarea"></textarea><div class="commentsignupbar__textarea-above"><h2 class="commentsignupbar__title">Want to add to the discussion?</h2><p class="commentsignupbar__desc">Post a comment!</p><div class="commentsignupbar__cta-container"><span class="c-btn c-btn-primary commentsignupbar__cta-button">Create an account</span></div></div></a></div></section><div id="siteTable_t3_15x2bct" class="sitetable nestedlisting"><div class=" thing id-t1_jx92u1x noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx92u1x" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx92u1x" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="h2dh" data-author-fullname="t2_29i1bp3z" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx92u1x/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx92u1x"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/h2dh" class="author may-blank id-t2_29i1bp3z" >h2dh</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes" title="4">4 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="5">5 points</span><span class="score likes" title="6">6 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 09:56:58 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T09:56:58+00:00" class="live-timestamp">11 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(2 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx92u1xnon"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx92u1x"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>According to the wiki: <a href="https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Weapon" rel="nofollow">https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Weapon</a></p> + +<p>To wield a pick with one hand requires 47500 min size. There aren't any native weapons that need any more than that, if I understand it correctly. Perhaps a min body_size constraint, like 47500, would be prudent. None of my dwarfs are below 50k, but they're middle aged and up.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx92u1x/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx92u1x/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="true" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx92u1x" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx92u1x"></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_jx92u1x" class="sitetable listing"><div class=" thing id-t1_jx9w34x noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx9w34x" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx9w34x" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="NervousEffective8491" data-author-fullname="t2_qsxtm739" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx9w34x/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx9w34x"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/NervousEffective8491" class="author submitter may-blank id-t2_qsxtm739" >NervousEffective8491</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 14:15:58 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T14:15:58+00:00" class="live-timestamp">7 hours ago</time><time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 6 hours ago" datetime="2023-08-22T14:28:13+00:00">*</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(1 child)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx9w34x47m"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx9w34x"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>Momentum formula makes smaller dwarves up to twice as deadly compared to big ones with the same strength (check the graph in the post for clarity). Strength training migh give necessary weight though. On top of that dwarves often get a lot of body fat (at least mine). I saw some individuals that were less than 80k at arrival getting close to 110k.</p> + +<p>It would be good to find dwarf size formula to determine minimum values for size and max_strength that might render dwarf unable to wield pick in one hand.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx9w34x/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx9w34x/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx92u1x" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx9w34x" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx9w34x"></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_jx9w34x" class="sitetable listing"><div class=" thing id-t1_jxa4ozz noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jxa4ozz" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jxa4ozz" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="NervousEffective8491" data-author-fullname="t2_qsxtm739" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa4ozz/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jxa4ozz"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/NervousEffective8491" class="author submitter may-blank id-t2_qsxtm739" >NervousEffective8491</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 15:12:02 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T15:12:02+00:00" class="live-timestamp">6 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(0 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jxa4ozz0cq"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jxa4ozz"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>Upd. Checked one individual in my old fort with 109k size. Her base size is 57k. She has thick layers of natural grown armor and has >4k strength.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa4ozz/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa4ozz/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx9w34x" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a 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How would I go about using these formulas?</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx6b3bl/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx6b3bl/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="true" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx6b3bl" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx6b3bl"></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_jx6b3bl" class="sitetable listing"><div class=" thing id-t1_jx7w3w3 noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx7w3w3" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx7w3w3" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="NervousEffective8491" data-author-fullname="t2_qsxtm739" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx7w3w3/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx7w3w3"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/NervousEffective8491" class="author submitter may-blank id-t2_qsxtm739" >NervousEffective8491</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score unvoted" title="2">2 points</span><span class="score likes" title="3">3 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 02:07:17 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T02:07:17+00:00" class="live-timestamp">19 hours ago</time><time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 18 hours ago" datetime="2023-08-22T02:33:06+00:00">*</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(0 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx7w3w3uua"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx7w3w3"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>You can run them in DT inside filter script. Up left there is scripting, add new script, copy the formula there and add equation to make it false/true statement like "formula" > 30000. For the formulas above most dwarves fall between 20000 and 40000.</p> + +<p>Example of the last formula in DT:</p> + +<pre><code>d.attribute_maximum(0)*5 + d.attribute_maximum(1)*3 + d.attribute_maximum(2) + d.attribute_maximum(3) + d.attribute(4)/3 + d.attribute(5)/3 + d.attribute_maximum(16)*3 + d.attribute_maximum(14)/2 + d.attribute_maximum(8)/2 + d.attribute_maximum(7)/4 - d.body_size() ++ (d.trait(6) + d.trait(8) + d.trait(18))*40 > 32000 +</code></pre> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx7w3w3/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx7w3w3/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx6b3bl" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx7w3w3" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx7w3w3"></div></div><div class="child"></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div><div class=" thing id-t1_jx849r7 noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx849r7" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx849r7" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="Katieushka" data-author-fullname="t2_2un2jyhf" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx849r7/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx849r7"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/Katieushka" class="author may-blank id-t2_2un2jyhf" >Katieushka</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 03:10:20 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T03:10:20+00:00" class="live-timestamp">18 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(5 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx849r76bn"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx849r7"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>Ok, but, i mostly sort them on propensity to depression and courage in front of imminent danger, how much they like to brawl, and such. Are those not important?</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx849r7/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx849r7/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="true" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx849r7" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx849r7"></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_jx849r7" class="sitetable listing"><div class=" thing id-t1_jxa2w2k noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jxa2w2k" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jxa2w2k" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="NervousEffective8491" data-author-fullname="t2_qsxtm739" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa2w2k/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jxa2w2k"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/NervousEffective8491" class="author submitter may-blank id-t2_qsxtm739" >NervousEffective8491</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 15:00:22 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T15:00:22+00:00" class="live-timestamp">6 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(0 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jxa2w2ky9s"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jxa2w2k"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>It would be nice to find all personality traits that are related to good and bad memories during military service. Right not only general stress handling traits are considered.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa2w2k/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jxa2w2k/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx849r7" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jxa2w2k" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jxa2w2k"></div></div><div class="child"></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div><div class=" thing id-t1_jx8c48z noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx8c48z" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx8c48z" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="h2dh" data-author-fullname="t2_29i1bp3z" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8c48z/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx8c48z"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/h2dh" class="author may-blank id-t2_29i1bp3z" >h2dh</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 04:21:54 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T04:21:54+00:00" class="live-timestamp">17 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(2 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx8c48z42p"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx8c48z"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>It's a WIP. That said, some of those things may not matter after they become elite.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8c48z/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8c48z/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx849r7" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li class="report-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="reportbtn access-required" data-event-action="report">report</a></li><li class="give-gold-button"><a href="/gold?goldtype=gift&months=1&thing=t1_jx8c48z" title="give an award in appreciation of this post." class="give-gold login-required access-required gold-give-gold" data-event-action="gild" data-community-awards-enabled=True rel="nofollow" >give award</a></li><li class="reply-button login-required"><a class="access-required" href="javascript:void(0)" data-event-action="comment" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul><div class="reportform report-t1_jx8c48z"></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_jx8c48z" class="sitetable listing"><div class=" thing id-t1_jx8gfs5 noncollapsed   comment " id="thing_t1_jx8gfs5" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_jx8gfs5" data-type="comment" data-gildings="0" data-subreddit="dwarffortress" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/dwarffortress" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qyn1" data-subreddit-type="public" data-author="Katieushka" data-author-fullname="t2_2un2jyhf" data-replies="0" data-permalink="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8gfs5/" ><p class="parent"><a name="jx8gfs5"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/Katieushka" class="author may-blank id-t2_2un2jyhf" >Katieushka</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes" title="0">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="1">1 point</span><span class="score likes" title="2">2 points</span> <time title="Tue Aug 22 05:07:25 2023 UTC" datetime="2023-08-22T05:07:25+00:00" class="live-timestamp">16 hours ago</time><span class="awardings-bar" data-subredditpath="/r/dwarffortress/" ></span> <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(1 child)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_jx8gfs5ztt"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_jx8gfs5"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>Also to consider is the fact that all those attributes get trained during military training, while personality traits, for example hatred for combat, is always there (unless traumatic memories happen). Also, the attributes on the description screen arent genetic: if a stonecutter has been making blocks for 5 years, his strength will be higher than the scholar who has written books during the same period, even if their genetical cap is the same.</p> +</div> +</div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8gfs5/" data-event-action="permalink" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >permalink</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)" data-comment="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/jx8gfs5/" data-media="www.redditmedia.com" data-link="/r/dwarffortress/comments/15x2bct/military_candidates/" data-root="false" data-title="Military candidates" class="embed-comment" >embed</a></li><li class="comment-save-button save-button login-required"><a href="javascript:void(0)">save</a></li><li><a href="#jx8c48z" data-event-action="parent" class="bylink" rel="nofollow" >parent</a></li><li 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